Pops story
09-Nov-07
Not to sound like an old celebrity for those who know him "i wanna tell you a story" some of the story may seem romantic someabout those searching for a new life and some of the story is possibly about religious differences and family deceit some i know to be true from the record searches that i have done and the rest is what has been passed down to me through the family so if any is untrue then i can only apologise now but it does make good reading.
Around 1890 my great grandmother set off from ireland to the usa for perhaps a better life and then around 1892 my great grandfather did the same it is not clear to me wether they knew each other before this time they met in the usa and were married around 1897 and had from what i can gather around 4 children my grandad (or pop as we knew him) was born in manhattan on the 4th of january 1901 i am unsure wether any or all of his siblings survived.they were on the 1900 uscensus living at District 452, Manhattan, New York Co., New York 126 West 63rd Street and the 1910 us census living at544 West 50th Street, Line 45
but not on the 1920 us census so i presume that they moved back to ireland between 1910 and 1920.
On the 14th may 1921pop married my gran mary (lee) in stpatricks chapel magherafelt i have been told that pop and my gran were different religions 1 being catholic and the other either protestant or presbyterian and pops family frowned upon this infact as the story goes pop was to inherit a couple of farms somwhere in the north but after he married my gran his family namely an uncle burned him out of his house and chased him from the north and pop and my gran were helped by a preist to escape the rage of his dissaproving family after this pop and gran fled to a farm on main street buncrana in donegal and pop worked on a farm as a labourer aswell as loing the irish volunteer reserves and while serving in the reserves he was involved in an accident on 31 march 1923 which put him into hospital until 8 febuary 1924 after this i lose them for a while and then they move to kilcullen county kildare where my father was born and pop lived until a ripe old age of 90 and my gran until she was 69.
if i find anymore i will add to this story.
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16-Sep-07
Hi I am trying to create a website to help fill that massive gap in researching irish geneology and the idea is for anyone interested in this subject to leave messages and any helpful information that they may have to share with eachother and leave links to other sites that may be of interest to any one out there trying to research their irish roots as i know what a pain all those brickwalls you hit can be please feel free to add to this site to share your information with eachother at no cost as it was about time there were more free sites available so that it doesn't cost you a fortune to track ancestors and lost family freinds and relatives.
I myself am searching for any information on the clements family from ireland both north and south please take the time to read the message board and make any comments or reply in the guest book leave your links and i will try to add them at a later stage
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16-Sep-07
stuck on irish anscetors if so i hope that this site can help in some small way to move your search forward(or backwards ha ha) please share any information you wishvia e-mailand any links you may wish to leave i will try and add them to the site as soon as possible for the benefit of all if you have anything you want me to add to this site or any links please feel free to e-mail me at
kildares_prince@yahoo.co.uk
please also try my other sites under the links on the navigation bar or at http://www.freewebs.com/irishgeneology
i am researching the name clements from ireland if you wish leave any links for irish geneolagy please e-mail them in and they will be posted in time for the benefit of us all as we all know irish geneolagy is very difficult at the best of times i hope we can all benifit by sharing knowledge and please read the message board i will be including photos of my ancestors soon so please take a look you never know you may recognise something if so please share with me as i will share whatever info i have with whoever needs it.
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who are the scotch-irish?
16-Sep-07
29-Sep-05 Who are the Scotch-Irish, and what does the term mean?
"The term "Scotch-Irish" is an Americanism, generally unknown in Scotland and Ireland, and rarely used by British historians. In American usage, it refers to people of Scottish descent who, having lived for a time in the north of Ireland, migrated in considerable numbers to the American colonies in the eighteenth century." The Scotch-Irish, A Social History, pg. i - James G. Leyburn.
The "plantation" of Ulster, in northern Ireland, with Scottish immigrants, took place from roughly 1606 through 1700. The "Great Migration" of Scotch-Irish to America took place from 1717 through 1776. An estimated 200-250,000 Scotch-Irish migrated to America during this period. The period of the "Great Migration" of Scotch-Irish took place at approximately the same time as the German Palatine migration.
It is believed that, at the time of the Revolution, they comprised 10-15% of the population of the United States. Their negative feelings toward England played no small part in the emotion of the "stew" that led to the American Revolution. Although there is evidence of the use of this term, or others, (Ulster Irish, Northern Irish, Irish Presbyterians) to differentiate the Scotch/Irish immigrants from other citizens of America, it is believed to have generally fallen into non-use by the 1840's, wherever it had been used. The use of the term "Irish" in the United States up to that time usually meant Scotch-Irish, as the Catholic Irish simply had not been a major immigrating force until that time.
All that changed, however, with the potato famine and the resulting crunch of the greatest immigration America has ever experienced, from the southern regions of Ireland. An estimated 2 million Irishmen, mostly Catholic, and mostly from the southern parts of Ireland, immigrated to America during the period 1846-1856. They were poor. They congregated in the cities in which they landed in ghetto clusters. They were Catholic. They would work for next to nothing while native born American workers saw jobs threatened and the decline of value in their own labor. The Irish, as many new classes of immigrants are in a new country, were not looked on favorably by the general population.
This caused a renewal in the resident population of Scotch-Irish Americans to identify themselves in such a manner that they would not be thrown in the same "class" of citizenry as the new, Catholic, Irish immigrants. Thus, a renewal in the use of the term Scotch-Irish.
It is a useful term to the family historian as the Scotch-Irish people are definitely a different class of immigrant than the southern, Catholic Irish; nor, can they be thrown in the same pot as their Scottish brethren. "..the Scots who lived in Ulster before they came to America simply were not, in background, religion, and many other aspects of culture, identical with the Irish of the southern provinces of Leinster, Munster, and Connaught; neither were they, after many decades, any longer identical with the people of Scotland."
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in search of irish roots
16-Sep-07
In Search of Green Roots
Over the years many Irish men and women walked the road to the boat, determined to carve a better life for themselves in the new worlds expanding before them. Today we admire their a chievements and note with pride their ability to transcend the barriers of life and death by passing their Irish identity to their children. It is their sense of belonging to that empty chair at the table that transcends the generations and prompts their descendants to make the return trip in their place.
To make the return trip you should be prepared. This will ensure you have a memorable holiday, visiting places familiar to your ancestors and relating family stories and history to actual places in Ireland. General information on family history is readily available for most families (see family histories) so we shall concentrate on how to trace ancestors. Start by compiling an outline family tree. Next, approach members of your family for help in closing the gaps. If you get stuck a guide book such as Handbook on Irish Genealogy will prove helpful or you could look to your local State archives for assistance.
The most important facts to discover are; the full name, date of birth and county of origin of the emigrant ancestor. A print out of locations where a surname occurred in the 1800's may help (see Computerised Family History Service), particularly if you have a problem finding the place of origin of the ancestor.
After some serious research you will realise that parish registers are the most important source when tracing ancestors in Ireland. They are generally found in the local parish church or offices, with microfilm copies available for study in the Na tional Library, Kildare Street, Dublin 2. Personal callers can also avail of the library's advice service.
Census records, wills, microfilm copies of Church of Ireland parish registers, the Tithe Applotment books for the Republic and records relating to convicts, Irish uprisings and nationalist movements are housed in the National Archives, Bishop St., Dublin 8. The registers of births, marriages and deaths from 1864 are kept in The General Register Office, 8-11 Lombard Street East, Dublin 2.
The Registry of Deeds, Kings Inn's, Henrietta Street, Dublin 1 has deeds and records going back to 1708. The Registrar General's Office of Northern Ireland, Oxford House, Chichester Street, Belfast BT1 4JY holds the registers of births, marriages and deaths from 1921 for the six counties.
The Public Record Office of Northern Ireland, 66 Balmoral Avenue, Belfast BT9 6NY houses the Tithe Applotment Books
and the Church of Ireland registers for the six counties of Northern Ireland. At this stage a good do-it-yourself guidebook: Handbook on Irish Genealogy will answer many of your questions. Additional sources such as wills, censuses, deeds, gravestone inscriptions etc. are detailed in Irish Genealogy: A Record Finder
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